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How Do Decorating Firms Pay Self-Employed Painters on Day Rates and Keep CIS Records Straight?

Decorating firms piece together subcontract painters' days, invoices and CIS deductions every month. We build a system for days, statements and returns.

Updated 3 min readBy SpiderHunts Technologies

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Quick answer — TL;DR

Paying self-employed painters gets messy because their days are texted, their invoices arrive in any format, and CIS deductions, statements and the monthly return are worked out by hand. We build a system that records subcontract painters' days by job, checks their invoices against those days, applies the deduction rate you have verified for each, produces payment statements, and feeds the figures for your monthly return.

End of the tax month

You use four self-employed painters as well as your own staff. Their days are in a WhatsApp group. Their invoices come as photos, PDFs and one handwritten sheet. Each has a different CIS deduction status, which you verified at some point. At the end of the tax month, the bookkeeper works out who did what, checks invoices, calculates deductions, pays them, sends statements and prepares the monthly return.

One painter's invoice includes a day he spent on a job that was cancelled. Another's materials are included without receipts.

Why subcontract pay is hard to get right

Subcontract painters often move between jobs and firms, keep their own records, and invoice in their own format. CIS adds rules about verification, deduction and statements that must be applied correctly each month.

  • Days are recorded by text, not against jobs.
  • Invoices arrive in different formats and are checked by hand.
  • Labour and materials are not separated on invoices.
  • Deduction status for each subcontractor is kept in a spreadsheet.
  • Statements and returns are produced manually.

CIS rules, verification and your obligations are matters for HMRC guidance and your accountant. We do not advise on them. The system applies the statuses and rules you and your accountant confirm.

What the mess costs

Overpaying for days that did not happen. Arguments over days that did. Errors in deductions or statements that take time to correct. The bookkeeper's time each month. And no clear view of labour cost per job when subcontract painters are involved.

Painters on day rates also notice. When their days are logged against jobs and confirmed weekly, they get paid correctly and on time, without having to argue. Good subcontract painters have choices about who they work for, and being easy to be paid by is part of keeping them.

The bookkeeper's view matters here as well. When invoices, days and deductions all have to be pieced together at the end of the tax month, mistakes are likely and corrections are fiddly. When the pieces are recorded as the month goes along, month end becomes a check rather than a reconstruction.

The system we build

  1. Subcontract painters log their days against jobs on their phones, or the supervisor logs them. Days are confirmed weekly.
  2. Their invoices are uploaded or emailed in, read automatically, and compared with confirmed days and agreed rates. Materials are split out, with receipts requested.
  3. Each subcontractor's verification details and deduction rate, as confirmed with your accountant, are held on their record with the date.
  4. The system calculates the deduction on the labour element using the rate recorded, and produces a payment statement for each subcontractor.
  5. Figures for the monthly return are prepared for your accountant or payroll software, where an import is available.
  6. Labour cost from subcontractors is added to each job's costing.
ItemSource
Days workedLogged against jobs, confirmed weekly
InvoiceRead and checked against days and rates
MaterialsSplit out, receipts attached
Deduction rateRecord confirmed with your accountant
StatementProduced per payment

Month end with fewer arguments

Invoices match confirmed days, so disputes are rare and specific. Statements go out correctly. Your accountant gets clean figures for the return. And the labour cost of every job includes the subcontract painters, not just your staff.

Is subcontract pay a monthly headache?

  • Subcontract days are tracked by text.
  • Invoices arrive in every format.
  • You have paid for days that were not worked.
  • Statements and returns take hours each month.
  • Subcontract labour is not in your job costs.

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Does the system verify subcontractors with HMRC?

It records the result of verification you or your accountant carry out. Whether it can connect to HMRC's services depends on the software route you use, which we check with you.

Does it decide whether someone is self-employed?

No. Employment status is a question for you and your adviser.

Can painters send invoices by photo?

Yes. Photos, PDFs and emails are read, and anything unclear goes to a person.

What affects the cost?

The number of subcontractors, your accounts and payroll software, and whether job costing is included.

What do you need from us?

Your subcontractor list, a few months of invoices, and how your accountant prepares the return.

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